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rally or a protest. go there ready for war. we get our president or we die. in terms of coordination, the report says one map posted online described the rally points describing them as maga cavalry to stop it in d.c. tunnels connecting different parts of the complex. the map was headlined "create perimeter." a woman who said she wanted to speak house speaker nancy pelosi in the frigging brain was apprehended on friday. she and a friend were captured thanks in part to a selfie video they made making the claim exiting the capitol. more than 163 people have been charged with crimes related to the riot that left five dead. and in this news from "the new york times," how trump's focus on antifa distracted attention from the far-right threat. even as officials pointed to a
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the threat from the right. chris wray mentioned it in september. >> what i can tell you is that within the domestic terrorism bucket category as a whole, racially motivated extremism is the biggest bucket within that larger group, and within the race and violent extremist bucket, people are subscribing to some kind of white supremacist-type ideology is certainly the biggest chunk of that. >> that's of course a guy trump appointed. he was then punished by the former president on social media for making those comments. "the times" writing about trump's efforts, the effect of his direction was substantial. according to interviews with current and former officials, diverting key portions of the federal law enforcement and domestic security agencies at time when a threat from the far right was building ominously. also this morning, details about
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funding related to the rally at the washington ellipse where trump spoke just ahead of the january 6th riot at the capitol, urging his supporters to fight like hell. "the wall street journal" reporting that alex jones pledged more than $50,000 to the event and also helped arrange for julie jenkins, a prominent donor to the trump campaign and heiress to the supermarket change to commit about $300,000 to the rally. the fight that followed the rally is what earned donald trump his second impeachment in the house. with the trial to begin in a week in the senate, a new report reveals that the former president appears to be without a legal team to defend him. two south carolina attorneys who were expected to join his legal team have dropped out as a result of a mutual decision, a quote according to someone familiar with the matter. the latest reporting on details into the attack on the nation's capitol on january 6th opinion joining me now katie benner covering the justice department
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for "the new york times" and a reporter from "the washington post" focusing on national security and law enforcement. he's the author of "october surprise: how the fbi tried to save et cetera and crashed an election." welcome. this is becoming a regular thing with all of your reporting on this. it is kind of remarkable we watched in real time donald trump's misdirection toward antifa and left-wing groups and away from these right-wing groups the fbi has been saying for some time, but he testified in september what the issue is. a couple days ago we heard rudy giuliani saying to steve bannon on a podcast that it was antifa that was behind the january 6th protest and attack on the capitol. the fbi saying none of this is true. >> we've spoken before about how the president normalizes certain kinds of behavior and certain
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kinds of beliefs including with the left it was going to take down the country. we saw that happen all summer. when the riot occurred, we asked yourselves why did this group of people, men wearing shirts with camp auschwitz, white supremacists, why did they feel so unusually empowered to storm the capitol? we went back in time. not only the president's public comments supported the idea they were at the capitol working at his behest, but the entire law enforcement posture toward the left and its decision to rhetorically ignore the right exacerbated this, creating the sense that, indeed, not only was the left a threat but these far-right extremists were almost like a shadow group. >> devlin, part of your reporting gives clarity to the idea that it wasn't just people saying stuff. there may have been some people involved in that attack on the capitol who were caught up in the crowd. but, in fact, quoting from your
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article, the fbi sees evidence of postings that say be ready to fight. this whole idea that there were details about what this assault would look like and coordination and premeditation involved in it. >> right. a lot of those conversations we're told happened on a pretty popular website for trump supporters called thedonald.win. the fbi has contacted them and is trying to figure out who all the folks were who were posting these fairly incendiary, fairly explicit comments saying it's time to get violent. that's another step in the investigation as they try to weed out the violent from the folk who is went to a rally. >> katie, one of the things you tweeted about was when bill barr asked the fbi about antifa, officials felt the threat was xanl rated or he exaggerated the threat of antifa. your quote says when barr had a robust program to combat violence driven by white
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supremacy, i wouldn't there to be a comparable one to aantifa. there's no evidence that whatever people think antifa is comparable to the efforts and the danger that these domestic violent extremists on the right are posing. >> sure. i think one thing that he mad clear is he generally believed the left was a threat, believed that far before the president started speaking publicly about it. i will say the fbi has done a lot more to explore the front of right-wing extremism, especially racially motivated white supremacy extremism. they've done it a long time and are good at it. you could say there are people within the national security world who agree with bill barr. i think what we've seen, though, is that the decision to focus so exclusively in so many ways on the left while ignoring the very obvious of the right, including a plot to kidnap the governor of minnesota -- sorry, michigan. it was so extreme and so obvious
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it felt almost permissive. we've seen it again and again. when you look at what happened with the right, when you luke at what's going on with funding, we mentioned before some of these protesters from what we used to think of as more mainstream republican funding sources, we've seen this is a fringe movement, that president trump brought these ideas and people and this movement into the mainstream of the republican party. we should no longer talk about these people at a fringe movement. they have become the party. >> right. this is an important point you make. the plot against gretchen whitmer, it was stopped by authorities but in fact they had nefarious plans that could have involved her abduction and by some estimates her killing. devlin, we've been seeing a lot of video about this potential suspect in the pipe bombs that were placed. they didn't go off, but there were pipe bombs placed in
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washington at the dnc and the rnc headquarters. what do we know about this? >> we know the evidence, the video evidence suggests strongly that these bombs were placed the night before, which is an interesting component of this because some law enforcement officials theorized that the bombs might have been placed as a distraction, a way of diverting personnel away from the capitol at the moment. but it's not clear if that's the case. one of the big, important things that the pipe bomb piece of this represents is that there are gradations of actions and culpability here in what happened in this riot, and some of these folks are very, very dangerous and need to be taken out quickly before they do any more real harm. >> thank you to both of you for your remarkable reporting. katie, we're old friends so i appreciate you getting up in the morning for us, but i promise one time we'll let you sleep in on the weekend. pulitzer prize winning reporter
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for "the new york times" covering the justice department. devlin barrett is a reporter and author of "october surprise." thanks to both of you. i'd like to bring in rosa deloro of connecticut koshgs chair of the democratic steering and policy committee. congresswoman, good to see you. thanks for being with us. tell me how you're processing all of this information. it does appear, as i was saying to representative demings earlier that with every hour we get more information, all of it incredibly damning to president trump. >> first off thanks for inviting me, ali. delighted to be with you. and i had the opportunity just last week as chair of the appropriations committee, we have six documents of appropriations that deal with some aspect of the law enforcement entities and that we fund them. what we did, i organized a
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bipartisan committee of democrats, republicans, of the six subcommittees along with the agencies under their jurisdiction. what we did was it was startling information that came out of this briefing. first off, we found out that the intelligence was there, ali. it was there of what was going to happen, who was coming to washington and why they were coming. there was a mob that they identified that was coming to washington for the specific purpose of attacking the congress, thwarting the effort to count the electoral votes, and an effort to overturn the government. don't allow them to steal the election. we found further that the agencies that were there to do something about this ignored the
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information or didn't act on it, didn't take it seriously enough. so it was preventable, the information was there, it was not acted upon, and the coordination was not there to protect the capitol, and now what we're trying to do is to look toward who is responsible, who is accountable, who made the decisions not to deploy the national guard when it should have been in real time to protect the capitol. and then we need to look at where we go from here. what are the ways in which we are going to change the structure of how the capitol not only members but the staff, the people who serve there, are -- and capitol police, because they were thrown under the bus. their command and control was not there. and many of them were heroes. i was in the gallery that morning. i was evacuated. i was told to lie on the floor because of gunfire. i called my husband to say i'm
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okay. call the kids. tell them we're all right. you know, they're going to get us out of here. that was the situation. and the information tells us it was knowable, it was preventable, and it was not acted on. why? and where do we go from here? that's what we're trying to do. the appropriations committee, which i chair, is looking into these efforts as well. >> and some of that will have to be determined in terms of a security thing, but some of this will become very relevant in nine days when the trial of donald trump begins. and people in that chamber -- this is so different. we were discussing earlier, they're not really jurors. they're different than jurors. but they're also the victims or potential victims of this. in the connecticut post on january 6th, the day of the attack, they were talking about you with jim heinz. you were huddled in a conference room at one point after you were
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taken out of the gallery. rioters broke the glass on windows and doors that led into the chamber. you heard a gunshot. you were told to hit the floor. the reality of the fact this was a potential attack on your lives -- and by the way, you probably thought it was at the time, but now evidence is there they were looking for nancy pelosi, looking for mike pence, they had enough ammunition to shoot every one of you in congress. how do we make sure that is not lost on the senators who have to vote about the fact that, well, drumpb's not in office, he doesn't have to be held accountable? >> i don't understand how it cannot, that they can't understand what's happened given the information and your prior guests who talked about this. but this is not just january 6th, ali. this is about what has been going on for the last several years. again, your prior guest says there was a move to not look at domestic terrorism in terms of
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the right-wing groups. move to the left, to antifa. it was donald trump toemp last several years of inciting people. insurrection was not just incited on january 6th. he has been churning up and riling up people, creating the vision of pitting one group another another for the last several years. that is the information that the senate has to take up and find out who is accountable. and that trial, is about donald trump being accountable, and we have to hold him to that, and we have to look at the others who are accountable, and they need to be rooted out as well. >> congresswoman, there's a lot of work ahead of you. democratic representative rosa delauro of connecticut. we appreciate your time. ? thank you. still ahead, the united states uses one-fifth of all the oil produced in the world every day. the biden administration says it
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last week general motors announced plans to be carbon
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neutral in global operations by 2040 and hopes to offer zero-emissions vehicles sooner, by 2035. that's a huge initiative. the announcement, while aspirational rather than a hard deadline, is encouraging about the level of commitment and thinking of the nation's largest automaker. i ooch had my share of things to say about gm and its poor corporate responsibility and leadership over the years, but now it seems even gm sees the writing on the wall. the future is about cutting emissions, transitioning to electric vehicles or other zero-emissions technologies. america has less than 5% of the world's population but uses 20% of the world produced oil every day. gas lean for driving accounts for half of that. general motors seems to have done the math. getting to zero emissions quickly is where they can have the biggest positive imabout on the environment. with this announcement, we begin the journey to an america where gas stations may become charging stations in our lifetimes. the upside to doing any of this
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is clean air, a healthier earth, stopping the warming of the earth, mod rating the effects of hurricanes and floods and wildfires by transitioning away from an energy source that kills the planet to produce it and divert it. with goals like this from a major company like gm, it begs the question as to why some lawmakers work so hard fighting against renewable energy. the fossil fuel lobby is why. in his first 11 days in office, president biden has made quick work of making the planet better. some call him a wrecking ball. biden, like gm, is simply looking ahead at the inevitable energy transition and in some cases opting to make some hard choices. even if you don't believe the industry predictions or the climate science, and you should, the trends in fossil fuel job losses tell you a lot about what you need to know. a 2020 analysis by bw research shows the u.s. oil and gas
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getting people vaccinated as quickly and as efficiently as you possibly can will always be the best way to prevent the further evolution of any mutant,
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because when you do that, you prevent replication, and replication is essential for mutation. you can be almost certain that as long as there's a lot of virus circulating in the community, there will be the evolution of mutants because that's what viruses do, particularly rna viruses. you're giving the virus an opportunity to adapt. >> that was dr. fauci emphasizing that getting people vaccinated not only to fight the original covid strain but fight the new strains of coronavirus that have appeared in recent weeks. this comes days after biden upped his target to give 150 million vaccinations in 100 days after being told his initial target of 100 million doses was too low. the president, however, ended up rolling back to the 100 million number a day later but announced his administration was working to buy 200 million more doses of the vaccine from pfizer and moderna. that purchase supposedly ensures that 300 million americans would
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be inknock lated by the fall. biden also pledged that starting this week vaccine supplies to states will be ramped up by 16% after vaccination hubs all across the country were forced to shut down as they ran out of doses. even then, and there are signs the president may have to quell his opposition to the pandemic agenda. yesterday the city of los angeles had to temporarily shut down its mass vaccination hub at dodger stadium when anti-vaxxers showed up to block the entrance. the protests held up motorists who had been waiting in line for hours to get vaccine nuclear facilitied. members of far-right groups were among those protesters. according to the "l.a. times," it's one of the largest vaccination sites in the country and was shut down by about 50 protesters. los angeles mayor's office says the shutdown was temporary and no appointments had to be canceled as a result. rick bright is an immunologist and virologist and was a member of the biden/harris covid-19 alleged advisory board.
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thanks for being with us. i want to start by re-emphasizing that point that fauci made that probably obvious to people like you but maybe not to people like us, that if you don't give the virus as much space and time to replicate, you also could reduce its ability to mutate. >> thanks for having me on this morning. great to see you. dr. fauci is absolutely right. you have to think that these viruses are organisms that want to thrive. and they are continually changing to get better. they're not changing just for the fun of it, actually. they're getting more fit, and the slower our response in boxing them in is the more opportunity these viruses have to change. and every time they change, in most cases, they are getting more fit, meaning they can spread more easily, they could end up being more lethal, they could evade our vaccine and our drug therapeutic opportunities
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so it's really a sense of urgency that we all need to feel right now to get as many people vaccinated to box the virus in so it can no longer have that space to mutate. >> what do you make of the 100 million a day -- or a million doses a day going up to 150 million and then joe biden bringing it back to 100 million? what's behind that? >> well, it's clear we need to vaccinate as many people as quickly as we can. there are a number of issues with the vaccination rollout right now. we need to do a lot in increasing the supply. we need to do a lot in increasing the downstream opportunity to vaccinate people. resources are needed urgently. the american rescue plan that's put before congress needs to get passed so we can increase our confidence in the ability to vaccinate more people as quickly as possible. >> let me ask you about johnson & johnson's vaccine.
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i've heard numbers ranging from 65% to 85% efficacy. what do we know about this vaccine? >> i'm actually very excite told see the data and the information coming from johnson & johnson. this is now a third vaccine option that hopefully will be available soon if the fda authorizes it in the coming month. it is a single-dose vaccine, meaning it's going to be much less complicated to figure out how to get people two doses three or four weeks apart. it is very effective at preventing hospitalization and death. that's what we want to do with these vaccines. i wouldn't get too mixed with comparing the numbers of each vaccine. remember, they were not contested in a single trial. so the environment in which these vaccines were tested is different. the viruses they were tested against are different. the johnson & johnson vaccine actually faced a big hurdle up
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against the variant viruses, which we know can replicate more quickly, and the more people are infected at the time. i wouldn't get tangled up in comparing a number of efficacy. remember, ali, our best influenza vaccine over the last ten years was 60% effective according to vaccine effectiveness studies by the cdc. what that influenza vaccine does is prevents people from getting really sick, hospitalized and dying. that's what we want from our covid-19 vaccines. all three vaccines we've seen right now do that very well. so it's great to have this option. >> isn't it nice to talk about fighting coronavirus in terms of the numbers and the science as opposed to the politics of it? it feels like an accomplishment. >> it is refreshing, i have to tell you. the new administration is putting science first, allowing the scientists to speak, getting the science out to the public and communicating and coordinating better at the federal and state level.
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that's a win-win-win in my book, and i think all of america can appreciate that. >> dr. rick bright, always good to see you. thanks for taking the time to be with us. an immunologist and virologist, a former member of the biden advisory board. the gop has its hands full with marjorie taylor greene. i'll talk to congressman joe walsh if the party can get back on track and root out the anti-democratic lunacy that's seemingly taken over. antony blinken joins andrea mitchell for his first exclusive interview as u.s. secretary of state. don't miss it tomorrow at 12:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. when you want to power up,
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elected president. the conspiracy theories and lies started early. joining me is former republican congressman joe wall fresh l.a., chairman of the bravery project and a huge trump critic. thanks for being with us. i appreciate you often come on with us. i want to speak some truths that you and i have discussed over the last years. you have apologized for helping create trump. you once described yourself as a tea partyer first and a republican second. bill maher called you a leader of the anti-obama nut case caucus. you were part of the conspiracy that barack obama was a kenyan-born muslim saying that everybody's been asking why obama hates israel. the answer is simple. i think obama is a muslim. by the way, so everybody knows, i actually am a kenyan-born muslim. i was born there. joe, i think the party's gone even further than you ever went. >> ali, good to be with you. look, let's just say what it is.
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the remdesivir party is gone. i mean, one of our two major political parties is gone. it doesn't please me to say that. it's an anti-democratic pro-fascist, bigoted, resentful conspiracy-believing cult. it's a cult. and as you pointed out, ali, i helped bring it here. i wasn't alone. the republican party establishment i would argue for years ignored its base voters. you rightry point out, ali, tea party people like me came along and we riled up those base voters. and then donald trump came along, and he lied to them and he radicalized them, and now the gop base voter is radicalized. that's where we are today. >> what's the line between acknowledging grievances of people who do not feel that they are respected by government? and i think there are lots of those people in america who are
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conservative, lots who are very progressive, people who feel like they're not part of the whole operation that makes decisions. and radicalizing them or getting them to believe in conspiracy theorys to support their underlying grievances. >> ali, before trump, i would have come on your show and you and i respectfully would have gone at it about issues. we would have talked about the debt and immigration. we actually did that. then along came trump and the republican party stopped talking about issues. it was all about bowing down and praying that this man, ali, even when he lied, and even when he spouted conspiracies. look, marjorie taylor greene is the product of, again, a party establishment that ignored its base voters for years and tea party people like me that got these folks riled up. they are totally radicalized now. they're almost not even in touch
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with reality. >> where is the line, though? because you definitely subscribe to these birther -- it's a conspiracy theory, right, the idea you thought barack obama was a kenyan-born muslim is a conspiracy theory. >> no. no. ali, i might have joked about it once or twice. i was not a birther. did i call barack obama a muslim? yes. look, generally, i was in that arena pushing for and arguing about issues i believed in. sometimes, ali, you pointed them out, i went over the line. and i've spent a good chunk of the last three years apologizing for that. i didn't believe stuff like that. the difference is it's not marjorie taylor greene, ali. most of her voters believe this stuff. most of her voters believe the election was stolen. they believe that. it's not her. it's those voters now. >> i think that's an important
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point you bring up. they did elect her. what does the fix look like? i talked to eugene robinson friday night who said you can't have a phoenix rise from the republican ashes until there are republican ashes. and right now there aren't. there's enough of a base and a republican party that doesn't think it's been defeated, that doesn't think it's on the wrong side of history, that hasn't tried to make amends as you have. so what do we do about that? not everybody who voted republican thinks there's something wrong with the republican party right now. >> so this is tough for a lot of people to understand. i'll say it again. there is no civil war in the republican party. it's done. trump and trumpism own the party. they took over the party without firing a shot. there's no war going on in the republican party. so moderates or conservatives like me who abhor trumpism, that's not our home anymore. ali, it's not coming back. the republican party is dying
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before our eyes. it's shrinking. people like me ideally will probably be independents for a while until hopefully something different comes along. >> so people who are conservative who want to argue with me about debt, about minimum wage, about how health care should be implemented, an interpretation of the second amendment, reasonable discussions people can have and disagreements that people should have in a republic like ours, how does that happen? are people like you as independents going to be as powerful as the machine that continues to be the republican party? >> no, ali. i'm a dark irishman on this. i think we're watching the death of one of america's two political parties. i don't have enough of a constituency. mitt romney doesn't have a constituency. all of these never-trumpers who have been out there for a few years, i respect them all. god bless them. but they don't have a constituency.
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80% to 90% of the republican party base is pro trump. we are going to be in the wilderness for a while. it's incumbent then upon the democratic party hopefully to govern well. but, no, there's not a happy ending here, ali, for the next two to four years. republican party is shrinking and dying. >> joe, next time anybody asks you about barack obama being a kenyan-born muslim, point out that i am one because that guy's been stealing my thunder for a lot years. thanks for coming on the show. >> thanks. >> former republican congressman from illinois and chairman of the bravery project. coming up, the dems have a majority in the senate but only by a slim margin. bernie sanders joins me to lay out the challenges democrats will face. ace.
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while senate democrats have been preaching bipartisanship in order to pass any covid relief, they may have to go it alone. they're discussing the use of a tactic called budget reconciliation, chltd allow democrats to pass legislation unilaterally without the help of any republican. under the rule, democrats need a simple majority rather than 60 votes to bypass the senate filibuster. within the parameters of budget reconciliation, either party can pass bills as long as the bill affects the federal deficit. with that approach, the senate democratic conference must remain in lock step, putting the onus on moderate democratic senators like joe manchin and cinema. in the last hour, a group of ten republicans including susan collis,wskimurkowski, mitt romney released a letter asking the president to help them. the proposal would include further direct payments,
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extended unemployment ben filtss and billions for vaccine development and covid-related ald. bernie sanders is a huge proponent of moving forward with budget reconciliation. he's encouraged his colleagues to do so from the outset of president biden's proposed $1.9 billion american rescue package. joining me, bernie sanders of vermont, chair of the senate budget committee, making him a key player in the budget reconciliation process. senator, good to see you. i'll give you a choice. if you want to start -- we can start with budget reconciliation and this letter from the senators or we can start talking about your mittens, whichever you want. >> let's do the budget reconciliation. i know that's a radical -- >> okay. all right. we've got a letter here they've read through, you've read through, from ten senators saying don't rush through stuff, let's compromise. they talk about unity a lot, a lot of bipartisanship, and they said that tomorrow they'll come up with their own plan that
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obviously is going to be different from the $1.9 trillion plan that joe biden has. what do you make of this letter and what do you think of it? >> let me start by saying when we talk about unity and bipartisanship, remember when the republicans had control, they pushed through a $1.9 -- or almost $2 trillion program which consisted of tax breaks for the wealthiest people in this country and the largest corporations. they didn't reach out. second of all, they came within one vote of repealing the affordable care act and throwing over 30 million americans off of the health care that they have. look, everybody believes in bipartisanship. the most important issue of the moment is that we deal with the unprecedented set of crises facing the american people. that is what we have to do. you've got a pandemic, unprecedented, an economic meltdown which has left working-class people in more desperation than any time since the great depression. you have millions of kids whose
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education has been disrupted. you've got 90 million people who have no health care or are underinsured, can't get to a doctor when they need in the midst of this pandemic. so we have got to move boldly to address the crises facing the american people. and if republicans want to work with us, that's great. if they don't, we've got to go ahead right now. >> that's my point. how will you determine that? you've been wanting this extra money, particularly, to go out to americans. the extra $1400 for some time. that was back when josh hawley was like a normal person and you and him were both working on a larger relief bill. like how much negotiating will you do based on this letter? nothing in the letter indicates what they want to negotiate about so how long do you allow for this conversation before you say let's go and do this $1.9 trillion? >> my understanding is that we're ready to go on tuesday. let's do it. and if republicans want to come on board and support us, we'd love to have them.
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here's the story. millions of people today are struggling to feed the kids to prevent eviction. what we want to do is put on top of the $600 that people have already received, for working class people, another $1400. ali, that will mean another $5600 for a family of four. kids get the 1400. do you know what that will mean in the midst of this terrible moment? the kind of relief that people will say, will feel, understanding that the government actually understands their pain. we've got to extend unemployment benefits with a $400 supplement on top of normal unemployment. we have got to expand the child tax credit because we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of almost any major country on earth. we've got to open up our schools in a way that is safe. and what we have also got to do is raise the minimum wage to a
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living wage so that tens of millions of americans are not working for starvation wages and living paycheck to paycheck. that is what we have to do. and republicans want to come on board, we'd love to have it happen. >> you've been talking about the minimum wage, at the front of that for a long time. it may be coming to pass. let me take a quick break. you and i will come back and talk about wages or mittens. your choice. subaru and our retailers donated 50 million meals to feeding america. and yet, one in four children may still face hunger. so, as part of our love promise, subaru and our retailers are doing it again, donating an additional 100 million meals to help those in need. love. it's never been needed more than right now. subaru. more than a car company. my retirement plan with voya keeps me moving forward... even after paying for this.
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i'm back with independent vermont senator bernie sanders. senator sanders, i want to just remind people about a conversation you and i have been having for some years now. the current federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. if you earn that and work full time you earn $15,080 a year. under the proposed wage they've suggested of $15 an hour phased in over the next few years, if you earned $15 an hour for full-time work, 40 hours a week, that's $31,200 a year, which is still virtually impossible to survive on, if you are sole wage earner in a family. but you've been pushing for this for a long time. you called it $15 an hour when people were saying, maybe $12. what do you think about this new proposal? >> well, i think clearly we are making progress, not only in the congress and i'm delighted the president is supporting this
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proposal. we're making progress with the american people. in state after state when $15 an hour minimum wage is on the ballot, it wins. in florida, where biden lost by three points, $15 an hour minimum wage got, i believe, 61% of the vote. look, bottom line is, as you've just indicated, anybody with a brain in his or her head understands you can't live on $7.25. you can't live on $10. you can't live on 12 bucks an hour. we got half the people in this country, ali, who are living paycheck to paycheck. we've got to raise that minimum wage to at least 15 bucks an hour, a living wage. >> okay. so you already have had some victories on goals that you want to achieve, and there are certainly others on the horizon. the big one, which you and i used to talk about a lot is health care. universal health care. at least some expansion of what is happening under obamacare. do you see that on the horizon?
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>> look, this is an area where the president and i have a disagreement. i believe absolutely in medicare for all. you come from canada. you have seen that it works well there. that's what i believe. that is not what president biden believes. but in this bill, and at a time when over 90 million americans in the midst of this pandemic are uninsured or underinsured cannot afford the high cost of prescription drugs. what we have got to do and the president wants to do this is greatly expand health care, establish more community health centers, lower the cost of prescription drugs. so we'll have a different path to getting there, but that is certainly something that has got to be dealt with in this bill and, i believe, in the next reconciliation bill coming down the pike. >> senator sanders, always good to talk to you. thank you for your time this morning. we look forward to watching how this all develops with the reconciliation or somehow getting this $1.9 trillion done. of course, now we have an
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opportunity to talk more about that health care plan that we both like so much. senator bernie sanders, independent senator from vermont and now the chair of the senate budget committee. that does it for me. thank you for watching "velshi." catch me this friday. i'll be in on "the last word" and find me here every day and sunday morning. i've just learned today is national hot chocolate day so make sure you fit in some cocoa this morning. i'm going tor ovaltine. before you do that, join jonathan capehart on "the sunday show" which begins right now. ♪♪ breaking news. donald trump and members of his defense team part company just days before his impeachment trial begins. outrage grows over qanon congresswoman marjorie taylor greene's embrace of outlandish conspiracy theories and calls to violence. parkland survivor david hogg and congressman ted deutch join me.
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and president biden's unprecedented plan for racial equity. my exclusive interview with the chief of the white house domestic policy council, ambassador susan rice. good morning. i'm jonathan capehart. this is "the sunday show." ♪♪ we begin this sunday with new details that emerged overnight about the historic second impeachment trial of donald trump. with little more than a week to go before it begins, trump is without a legal team. according to "the new york times," he's parted ways with five lawyers handling his defense. and has even reportedly insisted that the case is so simple, he could defend himself and save money. but what he lacks in a legal team, he more than makes up for in support within the gop. the republican party remains under siege by trumpism with now four republican

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